Neuer Kunde - CH7467 + Glasfaser

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Neuer Kunde - CH7467 + Glasfaser

Beitrag von viniciusro » So 12. Mai 2019, 21:15

Hi everyone,

First, sorry to write in English, my German is not so good yet.

I ordered from Pyur Pure Speed 200 with the cable modem CH7467CE. I received the router in less than 5 days and did the proper connection.
After the configuration the Downstream LED keeps blinking and that's it, no internet. I have contacted Pyur and they tried to send new signal, but no luck. Next step should be a technician to check the connection.

I was checking the connection in my apartment, and I noticed I have this glass fiber bridging-type ONT Huawei EchoLife HG8012H. It outputs the connection for TV, I tried to access it with Ethernet, but it seems to be turned off as configuration.

I tried to connect CH7467 directly to HG8012H data output, but without luck.

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Does anyone know if the ONT HG8012H could cause problem with Pyur cable modem? Does Pyur needs the MAC address of the ONT box?
Is there an email I could send those picturesto pyur?

Thank you!
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Re: Neuer Kunde - CH7467 + Glasfaser

Beitrag von Samsungstory » So 12. Mai 2019, 22:44

You have an ONT. So, this device change the signal from fiber to an Network output. You have to connect a normal Router there...not the Cable modem, because the Cable modem needs an special signal, which you not get from the ONT box.
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Re: Neuer Kunde - CH7467 + Glasfaser

Beitrag von KDG-Techniker » So 12. Mai 2019, 23:50

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Re: Neuer Kunde - CH7467 + Glasfaser

Beitrag von viniciusro » Mo 13. Mai 2019, 00:21

Thanks for the reply.

So it means that I need router with WAN port?
When I check pyur options they offer this CH7467 and FritzBox 7490, as I see both are cable modens, meaning none will work with my ONT?
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Beitrag von Platos » Mo 13. Mai 2019, 01:08

Hi,
Please Check the following link:
https://avm.de/service/fritzbox/fritzbo ... inrichten/

It may have the solution you are looking for.
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Beitrag von viniciusro » Mo 13. Mai 2019, 10:10

I will buy this Fritz Box 7530 and give it a try. Is there any kind of tutorial specifically for pyur configuration?
Do I need to change router MAC address to login in pyur network?

Thank you.
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Re: Neuer Kunde - CH7467 + Glasfaser

Beitrag von Cortex » Mo 13. Mai 2019, 15:28

viniciusro hat geschrieben:
So 12. Mai 2019, 21:15

Does anyone know if the ONT HG8012H could cause problem with Pyur cable modem? Does Pyur needs the MAC address of the ONT box?
Is there an email I could send those picturesto pyur?

Thank you!
Where have you found that ONT?
In the basement or in your flat?
Do you live in a house or a flat?
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Beitrag von viniciusro » Mo 13. Mai 2019, 16:11

I found this ONT inside my flat, I have direct access to it.
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Re: Neuer Kunde - CH7467 + Glasfaser

Beitrag von Cortex » Mo 13. Mai 2019, 16:19

viniciusro hat geschrieben:
Mo 13. Mai 2019, 16:11
I found this ONT inside my flat, I have direct access to it.
Okay, I would wait for a technican to check this.

May I ask in which city do you live?
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Beitrag von viniciusro » Mo 13. Mai 2019, 16:25

This is in München, relative new building, many neighbors have M-net as internet supplier.
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Re: Neuer Kunde - CH7467 + Glasfaser

Beitrag von TheCadillacMan » Di 14. Mai 2019, 14:58

viniciusro hat geschrieben:
Mo 13. Mai 2019, 16:25
This is in München, relative new building, many neighbors have M-net as internet supplier.
Does M-net offer speeds greater 100 Mbit/s (namely 300 Mbit/s and 1000 Mbit/s, you can check that here: https://www.m-net.de/privatkunden/) at your house? If so, the Huawei ONT likley belongs to M-net not PYUR.
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Beitrag von viniciusro » Di 14. Mai 2019, 16:49

Yes, they do provide up to 1000Mbit/s.

I tried to contract internet from M-net, they sent me one letter on 11.02, and then nothing. I contact them several times for 3 months (!), No response only delay. Then I cancelled it, and signed contract with Pyur.

Now, I cannot get Pyur to work :/

I can only access the ONT box when I remove the fiber connection, but I don't have permission to change many parameters. As soon as I connect the fiber, the LAN(Ethernet) connection from ONT box is closed and does not respond anymore.

No response from Pyur yet regarding this issue.
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Beitrag von TheCadillacMan » Di 14. Mai 2019, 18:21

viniciusro hat geschrieben:
Di 14. Mai 2019, 16:49
Yes, they do provide up to 1000Mbit/s.
Then it's very likely that the ONT and the TV connections are provided by M-net. In that case it might be possible that PYUR is not able to service you at all.

I assume you connected the cable modem with the white cable on the bottom right, correct?
Each of the two white cables on the top right should connect to a TV wall outlet in your flat (they look like one of these three: https://www.unitymedia.de/content/dam/u ... fik_01.gif). Do you have two of those in your flat or more?
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Beitrag von viniciusro » Di 14. Mai 2019, 18:43

I do have 2 standard Antennendose at my flat. Those 2 upper white coaxial cables are the output for it.

I tried to connect the cable modem on the Antennendose, and also directly connected to the split as the first picture I posted. Finally I also tried connecting directly to the ONT, with no success.

I thought even though this equipment might be from M-net, I would still have the freedom to choose the provider I want.

4 long months since I don't have internet access at home.

If Pyur cannot provide the service, I think the webpage shouldn't allow me to subscribe... Let's see what Pyur says
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Re: Neuer Kunde - CH7467 + Glasfaser

Beitrag von TheCadillacMan » Di 14. Mai 2019, 19:30

viniciusro hat geschrieben:
Di 14. Mai 2019, 18:43
I thought even though this equipment might be from M-net, I would still have the freedom to choose the provider I want.
Unforunatly it's not that simple.
If your flat/building is not connected to PYUR's network, they are not required to use a connection from any another provider (for example M-net) that has connected your flat. That means that you could be stuck with just one possible provider.

viniciusro hat geschrieben:
Di 14. Mai 2019, 18:43
4 long months since I don't have internet access at home.
Do you have a telephone outlet ("TAE", looks like this: https://www.telefon.de/manuals/Bilder/T ... -klein.jpg) in your flat by any chance?

viniciusro hat geschrieben:
Di 14. Mai 2019, 18:43
If Pyur cannot provide the service, I think the webpage shouldn't allow me to subscribe...
Agreed, although I would not put it past them.
If they send a technician they should spot that kind of error pretty quickly though.
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Beitrag von viniciusro » Di 14. Mai 2019, 19:47

viniciusro hat geschrieben:
Di 14. Mai 2019, 18:43
4 long months since I don't have internet access at home.
Do you have a telephone outlet ("TAE", looks like this: https://www.telefon.de/manuals/Bilder/T ... -klein.jpg) in your flat by any chance?

-Yes, I do have this connector and it seems not dependent of the ONT.
viniciusro hat geschrieben:
Di 14. Mai 2019, 18:43
If Pyur cannot provide the service, I think the webpage shouldn't allow me to subscribe...
Agreed, although I would not put it past them.
If they send a technician they should spot that kind of error pretty quickly though.
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- I hope Pyur can give me more information, if it will work or not. I believe if it's not possible the contract should be cancelled, right?
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Beitrag von TheCadillacMan » Di 14. Mai 2019, 20:06

viniciusro hat geschrieben:
Di 14. Mai 2019, 19:47
Yes, I do have this connector and it seems not dependent of the ONT.
That's good.
If PUYR should cancel your contract you can look at a lot more providers like Telekom, 1&1 or Vodafone (and others) all of which provide services via DSL.

viniciusro hat geschrieben:
Di 14. Mai 2019, 18:43
I hope Pyur can give me more information, if it will work or not. I believe if it's not possible the contract should be cancelled, right?
If they are unable to provide their services they are required to cancel the contract.
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Beitrag von Kabeljunkie » Mi 15. Mai 2019, 10:52

According to the picture given only M-Net really delivers Internet & cableTV services via the FTTH installation on a GPON-basis (passive fibers based on splitters). The ONT delivers Internet (via an Ethernet RJ45-port), CableTV (via a F-socket) and POTS (via a RJ 11 socket). The POTS cable thus may be connected to a TAE-wall socket.

I know several installations in Munich where M-Net delivers FTTH-services exclusively by covering the initial FTTH installation costs (fibers, ONTs, splitters and so forth) and leases the net to the residents a long-term basis. In this case I can't imagine that M-Net would tolerate a second provider like PYUR which probably would interfere with the business case.
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Beitrag von viniciusro » Mi 15. Mai 2019, 11:22

Yes I agree with you, if M-net did all the installation they probably should be the ones to provide the services.

Unfortunately M-net treated me very rudely, I hired the internet before I even moved to the new apartment, I provided all the data and information. The maximum I received was a welcome letter, after 3 long months contacting them every week I decided to cancel the service, and to my surprise I received a farewell letter.

I sent a photo of the installation and additional information to PYUR, I am waiting for the answer. Let's see if it's possible or not.

Thanks everyone for the replys :)
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Beitrag von TheCadillacMan » Mi 15. Mai 2019, 11:22

Kabeljunkie hat geschrieben:
Mi 15. Mai 2019, 10:52
The ONT delivers Internet (via an Ethernet RJ45-port), CableTV (via a F-socket) and POTS (via a RJ 11 socket). The POTS cable thus may be connected to a TAE-wall socket.
There is no POTS output on the HG8012H (Ports left to right: Fiber/PON in, Ethernet out, Power in, CATV out).

Kabeljunkie hat geschrieben:
Mi 15. Mai 2019, 10:52
In this case I can't imagine that M-Net would tolerate a second provider like PYUR which probably would interfere with the business case.
I would argue that even in that case M-net could not prevent another provider or the owner of the building from installing their own cabling.
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Beitrag von Cortex » Mi 15. Mai 2019, 15:31

Kabeljunkie hat geschrieben:
Mi 15. Mai 2019, 10:52
According to the picture given only M-Net really delivers Internet & cableTV services via the FTTH installation on a GPON-basis (passive fibers based on splitters).
That's wrong.
Pyur also provides FTTH Products.

@viniciusro: Please note: This board is no offical Pyur board.
The people here are in general private users, who just only provide assumptions.
I reccomend to wait for the technican. He will solve your request for assistance.
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Beitrag von viniciusro » Fr 17. Mai 2019, 11:16

Pyur contacted me, there is no problem with the external connection.
Technician should come to my flat and verify on 21.05. Hope they can get it to work.

This is the full picture of the connections for anyone interested:

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Beitrag von viniciusro » Di 21. Mai 2019, 09:53

So, technician was here.
He said I'm the first client in my building, and there is no cable connection available.

Don't trust Pyur webpage when it says that Internet is available at your address.

Well, now I need to wait a call from Pyur to see what we can do. I will probably cancell it and go for M-net (again, and wait...).

Thanks everyone for all replys.
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Beitrag von Kabeljunkie » Di 21. Mai 2019, 14:17

viniciusro hat geschrieben:
Di 21. Mai 2019, 09:53
So, technician was here.
He said I'm the first client in my building, and there is no cable connection available.
As it seems M-Net has a monopoly for internet and TV-services in your building.
IMHO Pyur will not be able to solve the problem - how should they when there is no free koax cable or fibre available?

Good luck to have M-Net services successfully working in your apartment ASAP! :)
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Re: Neuer Kunde - CH7467 + Glasfaser

Beitrag von TheCadillacMan » Di 21. Mai 2019, 18:09

Kabeljunkie hat geschrieben:
Di 21. Mai 2019, 14:17
As it seems M-Net has a monopoly for internet and TV-services in your building.
I still think DSL should be available through the TAE port. I don't see how that would be connected to the M-net equipment.
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